Rand Paul Open Thread

Filed in National by on May 20, 2010

There’s been a lot of news stories on Rand Paul since he won the Republican Senate primary in Kentucky on Tuesday. He’s gone from hero to zero in about 48 hours. It all started with this Rachel Maddow interview.

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In the interview he supports segregation and opposes the 1964 Civil Rights Act. It’s all downhill from there.

Use this thread to put all your Rand Paul-related items here. I’m having a hard time keeping up!

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  1. You have to be having a bad day when you make Mitch McConnell seem reasonable and moderate in comparison:

    A frosty statement from Mitch McConnell spokesman Don Stewart:

    Among Sen. McConnell’s most vivid memories and most formative events in his career was watching his boss Sen. John Sherman Cooper help pull together the votes to break the filibuster and pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He has always considered the law a monumental achievement for the country and is glad to hear Dr. Paul supports it as well.

  2. bamboozer says:

    It’s gonna be fun, hope some of this slops back on Jim DeMint and the rest of the clowns who endorsed him.

  3. Mary E says:

    Actually apparently he was even worse on NPR, but I haven’t heard the audio yet. Because of what he said to the editorial board before the primary, NPR asked him about it, and Maddow followed up. On Morning Joe this morning even Joe couldn’t defend him.

  4. bamboozer says:

    I’ve heard some of the NPR interview, it’s about the same. Give it time, theres more to come.

  5. Mary E says:

    This morning Joe S. was trying to explain, “Rand’s not a racist”, but that he shows the absurdity of being a pure libertarian. Joe did say if Rand doesn’t walk it back by the end of the day he’s toast. Rand’s Democratic opponent was on Hardball yesterday, before Rand was on TRMS and told Chris that Rand supports abolishing the civil rights act, and Chris gave him a look like come on, and asked him ”what’s your source for that”. Chris sounded really skeptical, and he told Chris the editor board interview is on the papers website. That might be entertaining as well.

  6. Jason330 says:

    With Paul and Toomey the wingnut wing of the wingnut party are getting to test the “run to the right and win the middle” theory. It could work if the Democrats allow it to work by not articulating core Democratic values.

  7. Here is Paul’s interview with the Louisville Courier Journal:

  8. Here is Paul’s NPR interview (partial excerpt here, whole excerpt at link):

    SIEGEL: You’ve said that business should have the right to refuse service to anyone, and that the Americans with Disabilities Act, the ADA, was an overreach by the federal government. Would you say the same by extension of the 1964 Civil Rights Act?

    Dr. PAUL: What I’ve always said is that I’m opposed to institutional racism, and I would’ve, had I’ve been alive at the time, I think, had the courage to march with Martin Luther King to overturn institutional racism, and I see no place in our society for institutional racism.

    SIEGEL: But are you saying that had you been around at the time, you would have – hoped that you would have marched with Martin Luther King but voted with Barry Goldwater against the 1964 Civil Rights Act?

    Dr. PAUL: Well, actually, I think it’s confusing on a lot of cases with what actually was in the civil rights case because, see, a lot of the things that actually were in the bill, I’m in favor of. I’m in favor of everything with regards to ending institutional racism. So I think there’s a lot to be desired in the civil rights. And to tell you the truth, I haven’t really read all through it because it was passed 40 years ago and hadn’t been a real pressing issue in the campaign, on whether we’re going for the Civil Rights Act.

    SIEGEL: But it’s been one of the major developments in American history in the course of your life. I mean, do you think the ’64 Civil Rights Act or the ADA for that matter were just overreaches and that business shouldn’t be bothered by people with the basis in law to sue them for redress?

    Dr. PAUL: Right. I think a lot of things could be handled locally. For example, I think that we should try to do everything we can to allow for people with disabilities and handicaps. You know, we do it in our office with wheelchair ramps and things like that. I think if you have a two-story office and you hire someone who’s handicapped, it might be reasonable to let him have an office on the first floor rather than the government saying you have to have a $100,000 elevator. And I think when you get to the solutions like that, the more local the better, and the more common sense the decisions are, rather than having a federal government make those decisions.

  9. cassandra_m says:

    Not Paul news, but a funny thread at dKos about potential Paul actions to neutralize his current race issues — Nothing But WIN

  10. LOL! Love that link, Cass! Here’s the intro:

    Kentucky Republican Senate nominee Rand Paul (R-Tara) seems to be in full damage control mode regarding his recent comments about the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the prior dismissal of a senior campaign operative for race-based controversies on MySpace and his opposition to the Americans with Disabilities Act. After kicking his own ass on Rachel Maddow’s show less than 48 hours after winning the GOP nomination, Paul is now in full “staunch the hemorrhage” mode.

    Kicking his own ass on the Maddow Show, so true!

  11. TPM documents the evolution of Rand Paul.

    So, by our reckoning, here’s Paul’s progression on the issue over the past 24 hours:

    – Paul on Maddow, circa 9 p.m. Wednesday: I don’t agree with the Civil Rights Act, but I don’t believe in racism.

    – Paul statement, noon Thursday: I wouldn’t support repealing the law.

    – Paul campaign statement, 2 p.m. Thursday: I support the law and the government’s power to enforce it.

    – Paul on CNN, 5 p.m. Thursday: “I would have voted yes” for the law. “There was a need for federal intervention.”

  12. nemski says:

    Um, it’s Friday morning, anyone know what Rand Paul’s stand is on discrimination at this moment in time?

  13. pandora says:

    With the way this is heading I’m leaning towards his taking the Madonna/Angelina Jolie adoption path. 🙂

  14. fightingbluehen says:

    “Um, it’s Friday morning, anyone know what Rand Paul’s stand is on discrimination at this moment in time?”

    Yes, it’s the same as Dr. Martin Luther King jr’s stand.

  15. nemski says:

    FBH, you need a smiley at the end of your comment.

  16. fightingbluehen says:

    “Judge not by the color of skin but by quality of character”
    I think that says it all nemski.

  17. nemski says:

    It takes more than slogans to build a country, FBH.

  18. pandora says:

    But… isn’t Rand’s position that it’s okay to judge by skin color, sexual orientation, etc.? That in a perfect world, when discrimination occurs, pixies riding unicorns will swoop in to save the day?

  19. Wow, FBH is comparing Rand Paul to Martin Luther King, Jr. seriously? Please explain how Rand Paul has fought for social justice. Please explain the discrimination faced by Rand Paul.

  20. nemski says:

    FBH, here’s a picture of the signing of 1964 Civil Rights Act. It speaks for itself. Please stop with your insipid comparisons.

  21. Republicans are blaming Rachel Maddow for Rand Paul’s problems, despite the fact that Rand Paul has said the very same things to NPR, the Louisville Courier-Journal and to the Bowling Green newspaper. Rand Paul says he regrets going on MSNBC. He hasn’t said anything about regretting what he actually said.

  22. Someone needs to get Mike Castle on record on whether he supports the Republican candidate for Senate in Kentucky.

  23. anon says:

    It’s fun to talk about how crazy Rand Paul is. But really, all he did is explain to America a few planks from the Libertarian platform… and America barfed.

    Nonetheless, it will still take a lot more work to strip away Paul’s irrational appeal to low-info voters as a small government, tax-cutting kind of guy.

  24. anon says:

    It’s getting near time for the folks at DelawareTomorrow to switch parties, saying “I didn’t leave the GOP; the GOP left me.”

    Or maybe that’s a bridge too far. I guess their plan is to be the last guys standing after the teabagger-driven GOP flameout.

    If the GOP crashes and burns in 2010, I bet they STILL won’t turn to their moderates for the answers.

  25. pandora says:

    Exactly, anon. Rand Paul put Libertarianism front and center. It would be wise to keep our focus on Libertarianism. Rand is simply the poster boy, and a very politically naive one at that.

  26. anon says:

    Nutty commenter Rick nails it (almost) over at DP:

    Demonstrating almost inconceivable naivety, Paul has turned an almost guaranteed Senate seat into a tossup, overnight.

    First of all, why in the name of God was he on PMSNBC?

    Second of all, why get involved in what should be at best an academic debate, on the political stage? On national television. The Civil Rights Act of 1964! Are you kidding me?

    Not only has this moron jeopardized his chances of retaining a solid-Republican seat, he has, as the poster-boy for Tea Party fundamentalism, jeopardized any Tea Party-endorsed candidate by association.

    Paul can plan on talking about this gaffe all summer; the left-wing media cabal will see to it.

    Translation:

    “The first rule of Libertarianism is, you don’t talk about Libertarianism!”

  27. anon says:

    His name is “Rand” – I just got it. How stupid am I.

  28. Moderates have no answers. That is why they all lost in 06 and 08 except for a couple hangers on. Moderates never had any answers other than trying to keep power by finding out which way the wind blows today.

    As for Paul, he settled this issue and as for the limited government debate, bring it on. Start by showing me which government programs failed. It is almost all of them. They have not improved life, but created more problems and cost us more for the privilege.

  29. Rand Paul has consistently opposed discrimination and consistently said he supports Civil Rights and opposes interfering with the Civil Rights laws. That is his position. What is yours? Do you disagree?

  30. See, I told you they were blaming MSNBC for Paul’s stupidity. Paul was ready to babble his nonsense to anyone who would listen to him.

  31. I don’t believe government should be in the job of protecting the delicate feelings of racists.

  32. anon says:

    Rand Paul’s worst enemy is an open microphone.

    See, I told you they were blaming MSNBC

    And don’t forget the hit job Katie Couric did on Palin.

  33. A.price says:

    I blame MSNBC for hitting him too hard before he REALLY said something dumb. I think he was able to catch himself and possibly save himself from further gaffetasticness.

  34. I don’t think Paul can help himself. Here’s what he said today:

    “What I don’t like from the president’s administration is this sort of, ‘I’ll put my boot heel on the throat of BP.’ I think that sounds really un-American in his criticism of business,” he said. “I’ve heard nothing from BP about not paying for the spill. And I think it’s part of this sort of blame game society in the sense that it’s always got to be someone’s fault instead of the fact that sometimes accidents happen.”

    Leave BP aloooooone!

  35. anon says:

    I for one appreciate Paul’s honesty. Finally we have a Republican who tells us how Republicans really feel. He is like John Boehner on truth serum. I don’t know where this truth serum came from but we need more of it.

    Fortunately, Paul’s mavericky-ness will keep him from listening to wiser heads in the GOP who will tell him to STFU.

  36. cassandra m says:

    So — Rand Paul *would* vote for the Civil Rights Act if it were for BP?

  37. Brooke says:

    Republican David, The Civilian Conservation Corps worked, bigtime.

    I was talking to a man the other day who told me my towns curbstones were installed by the CCC. He used to sell them corn. That’s just one of literally hundreds of public works projects that I’ve enjoyed ( as a frequent user of public parks) that owe their usability and a lot of their beauty to a program that employed thousands who would otherwise have turned to crime or been on the dole.

    Great program.

  38. cassandra m says:

    The interstate highway system is a government program and that works pretty well when I need to get to places. The highways could use some expansion in some places, but it is way easier for me to get to Baltimore via I-95 than, say, Route 1 or Route 40.

  39. A.price says:

    you are a socialist for liking the highway system. if only it were privatized… as well as our police force, and fire department… THEN we would be the “real” america the founders were told about by Jesus and Adam Smith!

  40. anon says:

    With all the crazy crap Rand Paul has said this week, just unscientifically checking some of the major news sites, what headline do you think they are going with? that’s right:

    “Rand Paul Calls Obama BP Criticism Un-American”

  41. nemski says:

    One topic related to Rand Paul, actually it’s more related to Ron Paul — Ron has got to be crazy to name his kid after a think tank. That’s just plain weird.

  42. Brooke says:

    He named him after an influential writer in his philosophy. Lotta kids named Kennedy out there. 😉

  43. TPM gives a summary of Rand Paul’s week. The latest news is that Rand Paul backed out of Meet the Press – only the 3rd guest to do so in 62 years. He cites “exhaustion.” I believe it – all that backpedaling must be tiring.