Saturday Open Thread [5.23.15]

Filed in National by on May 23, 2015

Joe Klein: “Nothing much is going on right now in the 2016 presidential campaign–unless you’re a Republican political junkie, in which case every day is Christmas or, perhaps, Halloween. Did you know that Donald Trump might actually run this time, instead of using our nation’s highest office to promote his reality-TV show? Or that the very former governor of New York, George Pataki, thinks he’s a candidate? Are you tremendously relieved that the GOP’s most persistent Dr. Strangelove — former U.N. ambassador John Bolton — has taken his hat out of the ring? I sure am. But that leaves 15 or more candidates either in it or circling.”

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It looks like the heavily Catholic Ireland has just become the first country on the planet to enact marriage equality by popular vote rather than by legislation, judicial order or royal decree. Probably because Irish Catholics are more intelligent and in tune with that Jesus said about homosexuality (i.e. nothing) than the conservative heirarchy that likes to look to Old Testament’s Leviticus than anything Jesus Christ said.

Ireland appears to have voted heavily in favor of allowing same-sex marriage in a historic referendum that marks a dramatic social shift in the traditionally Catholic country, government ministers and opponents of the bill said on Saturday. Final results are not expected until later in the day in a vote that would make Ireland the first country to adopt same-sex marriage via a popular vote, just two decades after the country decriminalised homosexuality. State broadcaster RTE said the victory appeared to be overwhelming and government minister Kevin Humphreys predicted the margin would be two-to-one.

“I think it’s won,” Equality Minister Aodhan O’Riordain told Reuters at the main count center in Dublin. “The numbers of people who turned out to vote is unprecedented. This has really touched a nerve in Ireland today.”

Gay marriage is backed by all political parties, championed by big employers and endorsed by celebrities, all hoping it will mark a transformation in a country that was long regarded as one of the most socially conservative in Western Europe.

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A new Pew poll finds that the Republican base wants the Republicans in Congress to challenge Obama more. Short of actual Civil War, I don’t see how that is possible.

The survey finds deep differences in how Republicans and Democrats want President Obama and GOP leaders to deal with issues. Fully 75% of Republicans want GOP leaders to challenge Obama more often; just 15% say they are handling relations with the president about right and 7% say GOP leaders should go along with Obama more often.

That doesn’t bode well for the GOP’s future. Greg Sargent:

That doesn’t bode particularly well for what’s ahead. It could complicate things if the Supreme Court guts subsidies for millions, and Republican leaders decide that a contingency fix is a “must-pass” to punt political fallout until after 2016. It could make Republicans dig in even harder against Obama-negotiated Iran and global climate deals. It could complicate the push to replenish the Highway Trust Fund, which Obama will demand on the grounds that failure will kill jobs and infrastructure projects around the country.

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  1. Check out THIS news dump. Deliberately done on a holiday Saturday to avoid protests:

    http://news.yahoo.com/decision-reached-cleveland-police-officer-shooting-case-140337304.html

    13 Cleveland cops fire 137 rounds on two unarmed civilians, killing them both. They’re all free to enjoy their Memorial Day barbeques.

  2. Jason330 says:

    “A new Pew poll finds that the Republican base wants the Republicans in Congress to challenge Obama more. Short of actual Civil War, I don’t see how that is possible.”

    They could oppose TPP or fast tracking the TPP…?

    I know… I kid.

  3. kavips says:

    Where are these “base determining” Republicans? I don’t see any… I think that this purported “base” is a created figment of imagination because we all know a lot of Republicans…. but do we know any as crazy as these are purported to be?

    I say, show me the real people, because from here it looks like these “opinions” come only out of a very few rich houses in Washington, DC; these opinions are only chimeras in media, there are never any real people to back them up, and have nothing to do with the reality that most Americans live every day.

    Most Republicans don’t want civil war; that is ridiculous to anyone who lives or works with Republicans… No, I’m not talking about those stepping in front of Fox News’ cameras; all know they spout threats just to get funding from a few certain wealthy benefactors, but I’m talking about farmers, shop-keepers, school bus-drivers, church ushers who really wish for Civil War…. I’m saying they don’t really exist.