Friday Open Thread [9.2.2016]
NATIONAL–PRESIDENT–USA Today/Suffolk–Clinton 48, Trump 41
VIRGINIA–PRESIDENT–Hampton University–Clinton 43, Trump 41
WEST VIRGINIA–PRESIDENT–MetroNews–Trump 49, Clinton 31
PENNSYLVANIA–PRESIDENT–PPP–Clinton 48, Trump 43
PENNSYLVANIA–SENATOR–PPP–McGinty 46, Toomey 40
PENNSYLVANIA–SENATOR–Franklin & Marshall–McGinty 43, Toomey 38
This is how you handle a heckler.
Video: Biden stumping for Clinton in OH when man protests over Iraq War: “My friend died!”
Biden: “So did my son.”
https://t.co/zl5VPFBBUq— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) September 1, 2016
“Instead of speaking to the congregation at Great Faith Ministries International, Mr. Trump will be interviewed by its pastor in a session that will be closed to the public and news media, with questions submitted in advance. And instead of letting Mr. Trump be his freewheeling self, his campaign has prepared lengthy answers for the submitted questions, consulting black Republicans to make sure he says the right things.”
“An eight-page draft script obtained by the New York Times shows 12 questions that Bishop Wayne T. Jackson, the church’s pastor, intends to ask Mr. Trump during the taped question-and-answer session, as well as the responses Mr. Trump is being advised to give. The proposed answers were devised by aides working for the Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee.”
Another Clinton Foundation Investigation Shows They Played It By the Book https://t.co/DWWTHHXhoS
— Nancy LeTourneau (@Smartypants60) September 1, 2016
Political strategist James Carville tells Vanity Fair that the Republican party is committing suicide.
Said Carville: “I just didn’t think that a modern American party was capable of suicide. I thought that something would happen, that somebody would think of a way to stop this. And they couldn’t. I think that they wanted to but they couldn’t.”
He added: “And most of the Republicans that I talk to, which are quite a few, they are not so much worried about losing the election as I think they are about losing an entire generation. No one knows how much damage that Trump is going to cause the Republican Party beyond 2016. It is really something, to watch a party just march right over a cliff, and no one can stop them.”
Set aside the policy details. Trump's core message about immigrants is that they're scary, dangerous people. https://t.co/6yBxsJj2Kt
— Josh Barro (@jbarro) September 1, 2016
Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign raised $143 million in August for her campaign, the DNC and state parties, according to CNN.
The Lid: “And/but it’s worth noting: While Clinton’s total fundraising is way up, her numbers for her campaign itself are flat — about $62 million in August compared to $63 million in July. The big jump is how much cash Clinton raised for the party, pulling in $81 million for Dems in August outside of what she raised for her own coffers, compared to just $26 million the previous month.”
I think that’s a great thing. One of Obama’s great failures is that he neglected the Democratic Party (and put DWS in charge of the DNC). In August 2012, he raised a stunning $84m for his own campaign, but only $22m for the DNC. Hillary raised $81m for the DNC, and $62m for herself. Good for her.
trump foundation obscured political donation, cited by irs, but please go on about clinton foundation "optics" https://t.co/QM8WY3vQcB
— Oliver Willis (@owillis) September 1, 2016
And that political donation, from the Foundation to Florida AG Pam Bondi, was an actual bribe to make her drop her state’s fraud investigation into Trump University. But yes, do go on about Hillary’s fucking optics, you media-whore pieces of shit.
“Bernie Sanders will hit the trail for Hillary Clinton on Monday in New Hampshire, in the former Democratic presidential rival’s first event campaigning solo since he announced his endorsement of the former secretary of state in July,” Politico reports.
Clinton: "A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons." https://t.co/Z6csEboWel pic.twitter.com/9Nl9y5At4B
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) September 2, 2016
BuzzFeed says Trump has given up on getting Latino support: “In the wake of Donald Trump’s hardline immigration speech Wednesday night, Republicans throughout the party largely abandoned discussion of a late push to win over Latinos, and seemed instead to focus on a new question: Which white voters can the candidate still reach?”
“Trump’s much-hyped speech in Phoenix came after two rollercoaster weeks in which the nominee flailed and flip-flopped on the immigration issue, and suggested he was ‘softening his stance. This brief flirtation with moderation led many to speculate that Trump was courting Hispanic voters — a theory that was buoyed by the candidate’s last-minute meeting with the Mexican president Wednesday. But interviews with a wide range of Republicans — from unabashed Trump supporters to #NeverTrump bitter-enders — suggested few in the party are still clinging to that hope.”
TRUMP: Make The Purge real!
CLINTON: I have charity that helps millions and I use email.
MEDIA: I honestly cannot tell the difference.
— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) September 1, 2016
We need Media Reform. Start with banning corporate ownership and re-instituting the Fairness Doctrine.
Ron Brownstein says GOP Senators cannot count on split ticket voting to save them: “Since the 1970s, the share of voters who split their tickets—supporting one party for president and the other in Senate races—has steadily declined. If that pattern persists in November, Republicans will likely lose their slim upper-chamber majority because the most competitive Senate races are clustered in blue or purple states where Trump faces the greatest resistance. To maintain control, Republicans will need either a dramatic Trump recovery in states such as Illinois and Wisconsin—or to convince more voters to split their ballots in Senate races than either side has typically persuaded lately. Neither will be easy.”
“Biden: “So did my son.””
This is a disgusting rejoinder by Joe Biden. Nobody voted for cancer, but Joe voted for the war.
I can’t spell or type, so I don’t need to be calling someone out on their typos, but this Del Senate Republican Caucus typo in the subject line of an email is amusing:
“Be Sate This Weekend”
I intend to sate myself with wine this Saturday. Who ever thought that Greg Lavelle would encourage Bacchanalian revelry? I view it as personal growth.
From Josh Barro:
This is why I can’t get into bed with Trump and his bigots on immigration, even though I believe illegal labor is greatly damaging our job market. There are sober economic arguments for more restrictive policies on immigration and illegal labor but Trump didn’t make those arguments.
@p “This is a disgusting rejoinder by Joe Biden.”
The implication is that the cancer was related to his military service. And that is not at all unreasonable.
I lost a sister to the very same cancer. She worked in a military hazardous environment. While a direct relationship cannot be proved, my family does feel that she died in serving her country.
Yeah, Puck, you are way off base. Biden has previously said that Beau’s brain cancer might have been caused by chemical exposure in Iraq. There is a high incident of brain cancer among Iraq veterans. It can be safely assumed that Beau’s cancer was related to his service in Iraq, and thus his death is one more tragedy related to the war. So what Joe is saying, respectfully to the protester, is “hey, I lost a person too, let’s talk about it.”
I think that’s very honorable.
If Beau’s illness had an environmental cause, it was more likely caused by his years in Delaware than in Iraq.
“I lost a sister to the very same cancer.”
I am unaware that the Bidens have ever said what cancer it was. I have read that it was most likely glioblastoma, but I don’t think anyone has ever actually said.
Further, Biden invited the man to speak with him after the event. That’s a mentsch right there. UGH I wish he had run.
Anyhoo. on immigration. It’s telling that the GOP is in it for the bigotry. They never EVER mention, as you do, puck, the employers and exploiters of the labor.
The don’t talk about making it easier for the “good ones” (obviously the overwhelming majority of migrants) to become participating citizens, because they are racists and just don’t want brown people…. who probably have way more of a historical ethnic claim to land in Texas than any of those pig-faced peckerwoods do.
I’ll forgive Joe Biden for this, but I’ll never forgive him for voting for Bush’s vanity war when he was the one guy in the Senate with the stature and a safe enough seat to call bullshit on the entire fraudulent enterprise.
I didn’t know chemical exposure in Iraq was suspected in military cancers. I am a little skeptical, because there are attempts to link many stateside illnesses to overseas service. And the exposure times were relatively short and indirect. But I suppose there could be some link.
In either case, it’s still worth remembering who put Beau and those troops into Iraq for a war of choice.
I would believe that Biden could have been convinced by Powell. Of all the rats in that administration, he was the one that had the respect of everybody. Getting him to get up there and lie his honor away might have been enough for Joe… at the time, obviously.
The future of America rests in its “brown” people. Whites are not producing and in our lifetimes will be a minority.
If America is to last and prosper, we had better be teaching what we used to call minorities, everything we know… We need to be actively mainstreaming minorities, not trying to encapsulate them in permanent poverty and powerlessness. When that inevitable power change does come (in our old age), as minorities we may remain welcome parts of our society and not get tossed out as always happens in third world countries that flip, and then have no supporting structure or talent.
What about cancer from Ground Zero exposure? That is a proven fact.
That was acute exposure to chemicals and hazards at a blown-up building. Something combat-zone veterans are exposed to all the time.
“Whites are not producing ”
Yes, those whites are so lazy.
As for media reform…. just curious how many of you still watch any of the big 4 networks, read the News Journal or Delaware Online, or still listen to WDEL?
@Puck… “Yes, those whites are so lazy.”
More likely all use contraception and choose not to have children.
Sooooooooooo Sean Barney might win this?
If Townsend comes in third, who on this blog has to commit ritual seppuku? Is this something you decide as a group or does someone just offer themselves as tribute to the corrupt Delaware Democratic establishment?
Sorry for trolling…. it’s Friday before Labor Day and the rest of this thread of very depressing.
Is seppuku that number puzzle?
You don’t have to apologize when you troll this well…
If Townsend comes in third, who on this blog has to commit ritual seppuku?
In my years paying attention I’ve never seen a race as wide open as this Dem primary for Congress.
And… a close second is this Lt Gov primary. Who thinks they know what is going to happen in that thing?
Back to immigration for a sec.
Puck, correct me if I’m wrong, but your grievances with immigration seem to be as much with what has been made legal as with illegal border-crossers. This is why all discussions of immigration talk about “comprehensive reform” of the process.
That’s not what the Trumpkins are chanting about at all. They just don’t like Mexicans and other Hispanics, especially when they don’t speak English.
Funny thing about that. I have spoken with literally scores of people who say they don’t like it when people converse in languages other than English because — and this is so charmingly human — they are afraid the subject of the conversation is them. They don’t want people talking about them in a language they can’t understand, as if that’s all the foreign-language-speakers could possibly be talking about.
Biden was all-in on the Iraq war. I personally had a conversation with him 6 months before the war and urged him not to allow it to happen. His response was essentially that we will be greeted as liberators, it will be quick and Iraq’s oil reserves will pay for it.
I love Joe, but that bugged the hell out of me.
Joe does not think outside the box.
I continue to sample all the networks, depending on the topic. I always read NJ, never WDEL. My objective is to find facts and information, not commentary. I’m quite capable of providing my own commentary and conducting my own critical thinking. Plus I’m not looking for reinforce my beliefs. If anything I like to have my beliefs challenged.
Most of the time I have do research to find the data, so my IPAD is always handy for digging when I watch.
I agree with Puck. Comprehensive immigration reform must include employers. Supply will always fill demand and unless we make systems like e-Verify mandatory, we will be nibbling at the margins.
@Dave: I think everyone agrees with that in principle, except for the people who benefit from it. But we should realize that until we start microchipping people as we do with pets, cheating will always occur. I don’t know of any field in which the lawbreakers can’t come up with new ways to foil whatever laws we put into effect.
liberalgeek – That boggles my mind. How can Joe have been so taken in, when a peon like me could clearly see that it was a bunch of bullshit? It is dumbfounding.
Because Joe Biden will not let anyone out-patriot him, that’s why.
So much for his legendary malarkey sensors.
Careful, or he’ll shove his rosary beads down your throat.
From the department of itstheeconomystupid:
August jobs report was ‘meh’
Joe Biden was guilty of what alot of Dems who voted for Iraq were guilty of — thinking that scary CNN chyrons were their real consituency. Dems were scared to look “weak” (they still have this problem) as if going with the flow was some indicator of strength or consideration.
Biden was all-in on the public abuse of Anita Hill. Biden was all-in for escalating the War on Drugs. I think Biden is a great VP to Obama, but he isn’t a saint yet.
“Biden was all-in for escalating the War on Drugs. ”
And still is. His agenda occasionally corresponds to the liberal agenda, but it’s not by design. For all his Kennedy wannabe-ism, he’s never understood that what made them beloved wasn’t an impassioned speaking style alone.
Where can I get a t-shirt with Hillary’s picture and the logo “Taco Trucks on Every Corner”? Because I think that’s a totally winning slogan right there. Especially if they’re fish tacos.
America’s entrepreneurs are on the case:
https://www.teepublic.com/show/662892-taco-trucks
Some schadenfreude for the weekend:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/09/how-fox-news-women-took-down-roger-ailes.html
The collapse of Fox News will do more to help the Hillary presidency than the congressional elections will.
I’m glad I’m not the only who thought, “That would be Awesome!” When I heard that we might be getting a taco truck on every corner. Listening from the food desert that is Smyrna, I thought it was the most practical, life affirming campaign promise since “a chicken in every pot”