The November 3, 2016 Thread
"What a wild roller-coaster ride this race has been!" pic.twitter.com/Urwv2uiihV
— Tom Watson (@tomwatson) November 2, 2016
NATIONAL–Reuters–CLINTON 45, Trump 38
NATIONAL–ABC Tracking–CLINTON 49, Trump 47
NATIONAL–CBS News/NY Times–CLINTON 45, Trump 42
OHIO–Quinnipiac–TRUMP 46, Clinton 41
FLORIDA–Quinnipiac–CLINTON 46, Trump 45
FLORIDA–CNN/ORC–CLINTON 49, Trump 47
WISCONSIN–Marquette–CLINTON 46, Trump 40
COLORADO–Emerson–CLINTON 44, Trump 41
COLORADO–Univ. of Colorado–CLINTON 44, Trump 34
NEVADA–CNN/ORC–TRUMP 49, Clinton 43
ARIZONA–CNN/ORC–TRUMP 49, Clinton 44
ARIZONA–Emerson–TRUMP 47, Clinton 43
NORTH CAROLINA–Quinnipiac–CLINTON 47, Trump 44
PENNSYLVANIA–CNN/ORC–CLINTON 48, Trump 44
PENNSYLVANIA–Quinnipiac–CLINTON 48, Trump 43
PENNSYLVANIA–Monmouth–CLINTON 48, Trump 44
VIRGINIA–Winthrop–CLINTON 44, Trump 39
Nevada political expert Jon Ralston says ignore Nevada polls and pay attention to the early vote:
Wow. Dems win big today in Clark, nearly 5,000-voter edge. Was 4,000 on this day in 2012. Clark firewall now at 55,000. https://t.co/kLgRDHHHRX
— Jon Ralston (@RalstonReports) November 3, 2016
The NV Dem edge in early vote is getting close to point Trump just won't realistically be able to catch up on Election Day. https://t.co/uQynrHff5v
— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) November 3, 2016
Larry Sabato’s Crystal Ball: “Hillary Clinton has picked an awful time to hit one of the rough patches that has plagued her throughout the campaign. Now with just days to go until Election Day, there’s added uncertainty about the outcome. But while she may not be on the brink of an Electoral College win the size of Barack Obama’s in 2008 or even 2012, her position as the clear frontrunner in this race endures.”
Cook Political Report: “A tightening race nationally has also translated into tightening at the state level. States that were trending Trump’s way in September started to slip away from him in early October. Now, with the focus more on Clinton’s emails than on Trump’s debate performances or his Twitter spats, states like Iowa and Ohio are moving back in Trump’s direction… However, these are minor, not major adjustments to the overall Electoral College map with Clinton now at 278 (8 more votes than she needs to win) and Trump at 214 (56 short of 270).”
Senate Democratic leader-in-waiting Chuck Schumer told Bloomberg he’s lost confidence in FBI Director James Comey over his handling of the most recent disclosure in the Hillary Clinton e-mail investigation — a tough rebuke to a man Schumer has long admired.
Said Schumer: “I do not have confidence in him any longer. To restore my faith, I am going to have to sit down and talk to him and get an explanation for why he did this.”
So this is part of the crowd for Hillary in Arizona. It's…large. pic.twitter.com/aIARLVNEB6
— Gabriel Debenedetti (@gdebenedetti) November 3, 2016
According to a new study, a hidden army of Donald Trump voters that’s undetected by the polls is unlikely to materialize on Election Day. “The study — which was comprised of interviews with likely voters conducted over the phone with a live interviewer, and other interviews conducted online without a personal interaction — showed only a slight, not-statistically-significant difference in their effect on voters’ preferences for president.”
'MPs will still vote for Brexit': readers on the high court judgment https://t.co/GnYnh0TzFd
— The Guardian (@guardian) November 3, 2016
LOL, the UK just found its Brexit off ramp. The MPs are now forced to vote on it. I will highly respect any MP who says, the voters are wrong.
Zack Beauchamp at Vox says forget conspiracy theories. This is why Trump’s Russian connection is actually a problem:
The problem with these stories isn’t just that they’re speculative. It’s that they obscure and even discredit the more sober evidence about Trump’s troubling attitude toward the Russian state.
There is basically conclusive evidence that Russia is interfering in the US election, and that this interference has been designed to damage Hillary Clinton’s campaign. There is strong evidence linking Trump’s foreign policy advisers to Russia, and Trump’s stated policy ideas are extremely favorable to Russian interests.
You don’t need to construct poorly evidenced conspiracy theories to explain this. There is a confluence of interests between the Kremlin and Donald Trump, and they are, in effect, helping each other. Russia’s role in the election is plenty worrying without positing any Manchurian Candidate plots. Here’s why.
CNN/ORC poll: President Obama's approval rating of 55% now outpaces Ronald Reagan's 51% at this time in 1988 https://t.co/KeVfZdmRFQ pic.twitter.com/vHQyzXG82k
— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) October 28, 2016
A new CDC report finds just 8.9% of Americans don’t have health insurance coverage, the lowest percentage ever recorded.
Huffington Post: “This latest survey of the uninsured population underscores what the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, has achieved in its first three years of being fully online. The uninsured rate had hovered around 15 percent in previous years, until the health care reform law’s expansion of Medicaid to poor adults, and introduction of subsidized private health insurance for low- and moderate-income families became available.”
David Duke's meltdown from moments ago pic.twitter.com/6k23rRx6p0
— Andrew Blake (@apblake) November 3, 2016
Reuters: “As the most divisive presidential election in recent memory nears its conclusion, some armed militia groups are preparing for the possibility of a stolen election on Nov. 8 and civil unrest in the days following a victory by Democrat Hillary Clinton.”
“They say they won’t fire the first shot, but they’re not planning to leave their guns at home, either.”
“Trump’s populist campaign has energized militia members… Trump has repeatedly warned that the election may be ‘rigged,’ and has said he may not respect the results if he does not win. At least one paramilitary group, the Oath Keepers, has called on members to monitor voting sites for signs of fraud.”
Politico: “Energized by Trump’s candidacy and alarmed by his warnings of a ‘rigged election,’ white nationalist, alt-right and militia movement groups are planning to come out in full force on Tuesday, creating the potential for conflict at the close of an already turbulent campaign season.”
Thanks, Louis C.K.—but it's "Madam" Tough Mother. https://t.co/LlfFFJBedh
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) November 2, 2016
The Communist Party USA urges a vote for Hillary Clinton: “Bernie Sanders is right. This is not the year to cast a protest vote.” I have to wonder just how crazy and far left do you have to be to vote for Jill Stein at this point.
Why the GOP will never treat Hillary Clinton like a president, explained by @paulwaldman1: https://t.co/Q2HEiFKx8I pic.twitter.com/lxosPMvlCd
— The Week (@TheWeek) November 2, 2016
Ross Douthat on why conservatives must defeat Trump: “I agree with them that grave evils will follow from electing Hillary Clinton. But the Trump alternative is like a feckless war of choice in the service of some just-seeming end, with a commanding general who likes war crimes. It’s a ticket on a widening gyre, promising political catastrophe and moral corruption both, no matter what ideals seem to justify it.”
“It is a hard thing to accept that some elections should be lost, especially in a country as divided over basic moral premises as our own. But just as the pro-life movement ultimately won real gains — in lives saved, laws altered, abortion rates reduced — by accepting the legitimacy of the republic even as it deplored the killing of the unborn, so today’s conservatism has far more to gain from the defeat of Donald Trump, and the chance to oppose Clintonian progressivism unencumbered by his authoritarianism, bigotry, misogyny and incompetence, than it does from answering the progressive drift toward Caesarism with a populist Elagabalus.”
“Not because it is guaranteed long-term victory in that scenario or any other. But because the deepest conservative insight is that justice depends on order as much as order depends on justice. So when Loki or the Joker or some still-darker Person promises the righting of some grave wrong, the defeat of your hated enemies, if you will only take a chance on chaos and misrule, the wise and courageous response is to tell them to go to hell.”
Win or lose, @realDonaldTrump has deepened the GOP's long term challenge with #Millennials https://t.co/e1gp0tD7H8
— Ronald Brownstein (@RonBrownstein) November 3, 2016
Ross Douthat is talking out his ass. Every Republican will vote for Trump. Every. Fucking. One.
From Dave Burris to David Duke. They are all Trump supporters now, and will be tomorrow.
One bright spot:
“More than a quarter of Republicans who have already voted in Florida cast their ballots for Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, according to a new poll. ..The poll also showed Clinton ahead of Trump overall, 48 to 40 percent, with a larger lead, 55 to 37 percent, among those who said they already voted. ”
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/poll-florida-republicans-vote-for-hillary-clinton
Well… maybe not “every fucking one” after all.
I voted for Evan McMullin as a write in. John Kasich, who I very publicly supported in the primary, very publicly voted for John McCain. And there are plenty of others who have publicly chosen someone other than Trump.
And please refrain from using my name near David Duke’s again. Thanks.
He voted for John McCain… who thinks so little of democracy, that he is willing to compromise and entire branch of Government in order to push through his unpopular political dogma. Every republican is to blame for Trump.
There’s no doubt that Republicans own Trump – they grew him. That said, almost all of my Republican friends are voting for Hillary or doing what Dave did.
Psst… Hi Dave!
If Trump wins he can thank all the Republicans who cast protest votes for write-ins or third party candidates.
The political system, grew Trump. It’s what is wrong with the whole system, that grew Trump. NOT, just the Republicans! It’s the career politicians, that grew Trump. People are sick and tired, of paying for others, who sit on their arse. Sick of people sucking on the government.
I don’t believe in the things that Trump, has done against women, Muslims, African Americans, etc. It’s dam wrong. But, what he says about our current government, is right on. The career politicians, that are getting rich, the crooked politics. Even, locally.
WE all created Trump!
“WE all created Trump!”
Nope.
I have no time for the both sides do it crap.
No, Anono…. you dont get to do that.
Willful ignorance and bigotry belong to only one party. Trump parrots a few things he saw work for Sanders, but he doesn’t believe in them.
Basically, you’ve either been staunchly against the hateful conservative principles of the last 40 years; “on the fence” (pathetic and cowardly enablers); or you helped it happen.
“Moderate republicans” are just as much to blame as the Hannitys and Roger Stones of the world (OH BTW, Glenn Beck, you are not forgiven for the Tea Party, you’ll never be welcome on the left and I will cherish your drop into obscurity). There might still be Republicans out there who arent hood-carrying Kalnsmen, but if they ever lined up for the party, they are dirt just like their party’s duly elected leader. Ya’ll sewed the seeds for this rotten garden. Now line up and choke down the fruit.
“You are the aspect of them by which they persuade themselves they are civilized.”
E.L. Doctorow, ‘The March’
“People are sick and tired, of paying for others, who sit on their arse. Sick of people sucking on the government.”
I know what you mean. All these greedy capitalists milking government while exploiting the workers. Oh wait. You meant the imaginary people conservatives like to conjure up.
If you feel the need to hate on someone, ask yourself why you’re hating on the poor, who are trying to eke our a living, instead of the rich, who set up the conditions that make this necessary. Whatever the reason, congratulations! You’re officially an asshole! Report to your nearest RNC office immediately.
“There’s no doubt that Republicans own Trump – they grew him.”
You apparently don’t understand how the chicken industry works. The farmers grow them, but they don’t own them. The processor owns them.
Same here, I think.
I used Dave Burris to mark one side of a spectrum with David Duke representing as far away from that point as you could be, so it was really a compliment.
Anyway…I’m happy to have been wrong about his support for Trump, and I get that being in the same sentence (let alone the same party) as David Duke is discomforting.
The money shot from Arizona’s early voting (from the Arizona Republic)
“As of Oct. 30, nine days before the Nov. 8 election, 13 percent of the early ballots cast in Arizona came from Latino voters, up from 11 percent at the same point prior to the 2012 presidential election and from 8 percent in 2008.
The increase from 2012 to 2016 is the largest increase in early voting by Latinos in any state, according to statistics compiled by Catalist, a data company that works with progressive candidates and groups.”
Anonymous, you must live with your head in the sand. You don’t think there are people out there, milking the system?? Your a total fool, then. I think there are people that need help, but you can’t say that there are none, who are not working the system on purpose.
And you can spout off name calling and lower yourself, good for you. Feel proud of yourself?
*you’re
I know for a fact there are people who exploit the various loop holes in the system. They are people named Donald Trump, Jamnie Dimon, Sheldon Adelson…. oh wait you were talking about welfare queens I bet.
Well, this will shock you. I know there are also some people who collect disability who could probably hold down minimum wage job that will pay them less than their disability check. I will admit here and now that those people do exist.
I dont care.
If 10 people are “undeserving” and still get government assistance, but the 20 people who SHOULD be getting help DO get help, Im ok with that.
I guess that makes people like you ok with letting children starve so that someone who “might not deserve” food stamps doesn’t get them. I’m fine with the difference between us.
Most of your precious money, btw, isnt going to poor black kids to buy airJordans…. or whatever you think happens.
It goes to tax subsidies for oil companies who desecrate sacred land and pollute water supplies. It goes to private military contractors who do shoddy work and electrocute our troops…. or massacre and assault civilians in war torn countries. This is more handiwork of the GOP and the conservative movement.
When dear leader loses, and tries to upend our democracy, you’ll have to choose.
Anono is a prime example of how the misdirection and lies of the right have fueled the rise of Trump. The fields were plowed by Falwell, seeds planted by Reagan, watered by Gingrich, fertilized by FoxNews, crop-dusted by the Tea Party and Trump is bringing in the harvest.
It could have gone a different way anywhere along the process, but the smart Republicans failed to make a stand at every step.
That implies they TRIED to make a stand, and haven’t been gleefully going along with this crap for 50 years.
Some tried. They failed.
http://delawareliberal.net//2009/07/28/republicans-are-the-party-of-crazy-eileen/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRq6Y4NmB6U
This is why Trump is so dangerous. The House and Senate are populated by spineless weasels. He will call the shots and they won’t even whimper.
@Anono “You don’t think there are people out there, milking the system?”
Of course there are. Rich (like Trump who has managed to avoid paying millions in taxes) and poor. Unless you define “milking the system” as that which only the poor do, while the rich avail themselves of questionable loopholes.
The question you have to answer for yourself is what percentage of each group are milking the system? News Corp. (Wall Street Journal among others) had net income of $13M last year. Taxes paid = 0. Merck (big pharma) had a net income of $2.004 B (yes billion). Taxes paid = 0.
I don’t mind you railing about milking the system, because I’m a big believer in individual and corporate responsibility. What I do mind, however, is your failure to assign responsibility where it primarily lies. Instead you focus on those individuals and families who have the least ability to be responsibile due to circumstance, culture, education, and other reasons.
The fact is, blue-collar wages in America are simply not high enough to support workers in today’s economy. Even so, most benefit programs require recipients to work in order to collect. So if you want people off of welfare, you have to increase wages or create more hours in the day for them to work (many already hold down two jobs).
The kind of information that you need to test your opinions and theories is readily available, but you are either unable or unwilling to avail yourself of that information. It is not your lack of compassion that annoys me though. It’s your willful ignorance when you have no excuse for being that ignorant.
Of course if you are culturally predisposed to remaining ignorant and are unable to rise above your circumstances, then I apologize for asserting that you are willfully ignorant.
Sorry, I did not touch on the corporate suckers. They absolutely, need to pay their fair share as well!
Right in our own state:
Bloom Energy
Fisker
Sevone
Dupont
And others, that have and are milking us dry! Bloom 33 jobs, 7 in Delaware. Thank you smiling Jack!
I know more than 7 people who work for Bloom…. in Delaware…. so while it in no way is what they promised, your number is fake.
Anono represents how propaganda works when you pour it into an empty vessel, for example, his head.
What he and most other Fox viewers and Limbaugh/Beck listeners are too dumb to understand is that the Clintons, far from being uniquely corrupt in Washington, are simply playing the same game everyone in the Senate and quite a few in the House do. Everything the Clintons have ever done that has drawn fire from conservatives are things conservative politicians do all the time.
Pay for play is as old as politics. Talking out of both sides of your mouth is as old as politics. Paying corporations money to locate in your city or state is a decades-old practice engaged in by both sides (including, in the Markell administration, DEDO chief and Republican Alan Levin, as I’ve pointed out to this dunce before, to no effect).
The things conservatives claim to hate about the Clintons are all practices their own politicians do. The only difference is that their guys don’t get away with it, and it really chaps their asses.
Meanwhile, move over, Florida. In Texas, the land of the free, you can still hunt snakes with gasoline.
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/texas-killed-a-proposal-that-would-outlaw-hunting-snakes-with-gasoline
Repulicans like Dave Burris who can’t stomach voting for their nominee, but choose instead to throw away their vote on a write in candidate make no sense to me. In Delaware, his vote will be counted under “Other Write In Candidates” since Evan whatshisface isn’t even registered to be a write in candidate in this state. A protest vote really- aren’t you a grown up? If you realize Trump is not qualified for the job, and you know only one other person is going to be elected President, just vote for them like an adult.
Repulicans = Republicans minus their balls. Ha. Ha. Ha.
Apparently posting before fully caffeinated is not ideal for me.
If you want to keep your #neverTrump card, you have to vote for Hillary. Protest votes could easily hand the election to Trump, and then you will be responsible.
When Trump voters cheer the bellicose authoritarian for saying he will dismantle the EPA, do they understand that the EPA administers the safe drinking water act, the clean air act and clean water act? I’m actually starting to become excited about voting for Clinton after looking at the National disgrace the republicans have nominated.
“If you feel the need to hate on someone, ask yourself why you’re hating on the poor, who are trying to eke our a living, instead of the rich, who set up the conditions that make this necessary. Whatever the reason, congratulations! You’re officially an asshole! Report to your nearest RNC office immediately.”
Lol, this is the key. The angry misplaced venom toward Hillary Clinton is worth looking at. Where does such unbridled parroted and obsessive hatred come from that fills the hearts of most Trump supporters? The level of hate doesn’t match up to anything quantifiable. I mean, I think Trump is an embarrassment to civil society, a grossly incompetent and morally bankrupt candidate with no coherent vision or ability to govern but I don’t hate him. In fact, I kind of enjoy the laughable entertainment he provides.
I saw the greatest quote, today. “It is possible to be anti-Hillary and not be pro-Trump.”
Said this before; we have 2 of the least desirable candidates (for President), in probably the history of politics.