DL Open Thread 9/23

Filed in National by on September 23, 2019

If you’re looking for news that doesn’t involve the Trump-Ukraine story, give up now. Reporters are asking only two things this morning: Are Democrats finally going to do their jobs, and are Republicans really going to back Trump’s position rejecting all limits on presidential behavior. Because you can get a thousand different answers to those questions, there are a thousand different stories plowing that patch of ocean.

It has not gone unnoticed that the New York Times has been promoting the Trump-centric framing of this story, much as it did with Hillary’s emails.

The ironic part of this is that Trump probably shouldn’t have bothered. The Des Moines Register poll of Iowa voters shows that Biden’s support is eroding as the weeks go by.

Biden is viewed favorably by 66% of likely Democratic caucusgoers, compared to 29% who view him unfavorably. That’s positive territory, but his unfavorable numbers have nearly doubled since March, when he was viewed unfavorably by 15% and favorably by 81%.

The author of a Mike Pence biography confirmed the truth of the rumored push by Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump to dump Pence from the 2020 ticket. “That’s all very real,” according to journalist Tom LoBianco, who has covered Pence for years.

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  1. RSE says:

    In the end, to the delight of the other Democratic candidates, I think all the media coverage on this latest get Trump push will only succeed in exposing Biden’s self-regarding shenanigans involving China and Ukraine.

    • Alby says:

      Good luck with that, since it’s been widely debunked already. MSM isn’t going to play along this time, because the rest of us won’t let it. And does Trump really want to make this about whose kids are bigger fuck-ups? Because Trump’s got a three-headed monster there, while Biden just has Hunter.

      Biden is a small-scale version of Trump. Same self-regard, same inability to admit error, same racism/misogyny (though differently expressed), same grifting by offspring, same misplaced belief in his own abilities…I could go on, but I’ll save it for a full post sometime.

      There’s one big difference, though — a greater number of people dislike Trump than dislike his policies. People generally like Biden.

      Your boy’s only hope is through voter suppression and foreign interference.

  2. Puck says:

    Yup, Biden/Ukraine is on track to be the new “But her emails!” for the rubes.

  3. John Kowalko says:

    RSE
    You are a “self-regarding shenanigan” steeped in stupidity and an absurd allegiance to one of the most hate filled racists to ever occupy the White House. Even Andrew Johnson’s flaws pale compared to your hero (the “orange” man) and his rampage through the constitution.
    Representative John Kowalko

    • RSE says:

      “Allegiance”, “hero” ?…Not words I would associate with regarding any politician I can think of offhand .

  4. CinqueB says:

    The real question is… Is Biden going to survive?

  5. Ben says:

    What’s Biden Hidin? (Thats a free one for you, RSE) the answer is nothing. But that doesn’t matter

    Look, we all know this is gonna work. At least as far as to take out Biden. It’s too good a narrative for the media to pass up. If the dems dont give them something juicier, like impeachment…. And the won’t. Pelosi and Nadler are on the dole. They’re collaborators and traitors.

    So let’s cut joe loose. Throw trump off by taking out “our own guy” and let him waste his effort. Time to back Warren.

    • Alby says:

      Right. That’s why all the stories are focusing on Trump, because the media is falling for this.

      Sheesh, Ben. Are you known as Debbie Downer to your friends and acquaintances? Because you can find the dark cloud in a clear blue sky.

  6. All Seeing says:

    Elsolom is right about everything he said about status quo Joe except for time. If you notice, Joe struggles for delivery of his words. Bad sign. Elizabeth has caught fire. Check polls in the primary states. South Carolina they shift like a weathervain. They love a winner. Everyone I know from out of state says Biden is too long in the tooth and no excitement and too corporate.
    Check what Michell Goldberg has to say about Madme Speaker putting her on a knifes edge, it is as follows:
    Nancy Pelosi’s Failure to Launch https://nyti.ms/2m9pSye