Corbyn lost
You don’t have to watch Morning Joe this morning to know that this will mean that America doesn’t really want affordable healthcare. These UK election results prove that we can’t address the climate crisis. Corbyn’s loss means that corporations must be allowed to run riot, and that we must always treat poor people like criminals. Corbyn somehow proves that America is only ready for a very watered down Dem message – 99% water or we’ll lose the very wise centrist voters of north western bumbfuck.
With just a handful of seats left to declare in the general election, the BBC forecasts a Tory majority of 78.
The prime minister said it would give him a mandate to “get Brexit done” and take the UK out of the EU next month.
Jeremy Corbyn said Labour had a “very disappointing night” and he would not fight a future election.
The BBC forecast suggests the Tories will get 364 MPs, Labour 203, the SNP 48, the Lib Dems 12, Plaid Cymru four, the Greens one, and the Brexit Party none.
That means the Conservatives will have their biggest majority at Westminster since Margaret Thatcher’s 1987 election victory.
Labour, which has lost seats across the North, Midlands and Wales in places which backed Brexit in 2016, is facing its worst defeat since 1935
People wanted Brexit. In retrospect Corbyn should have made his position more clear. There is a very strong leftist critique of the EU (that I agree with). Corbyn likely favored leave. But he calculated that a final negotiated deal should get another referendum.
The people just wanted Brexit to be done and dusted. This is why the Lib Dems were absolutely crushed. Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson lost her seat! This obviously doesn’t apply to US politics.
It’s all on us now. As Lincoln said, we are the last best hope on Earth.
Brexit split the Labour coalition and didn’t split the Tory coalition. This obviously doesn’t apply to US politics. (Unless you are a Chris Coons style DC insider or highly paid TV talking head/Democratic campaign consultant.)
OK, I’ll bite. What is the leftist critique of the EU? Genuinely curious to hear your take.
well let’s hope we arent, because trump is getting re-elected. he’ll lose the popular vote by 6-8 million, Mitch will keep the senate… though the margin may shrink.
2022 mid terms will see PA flip (C’MON FETTERMAN) and maybe senate control change.
2024, provided we have elections… there’s a chance as long as none of the current wet noodles run again.
I dont want Bernie or Warren to be the ones to lose to trump. It has to be Biden or Pete.
The EU is a neoliberal, free market superstate. It’s an austerity machine.
Very influential Labour minister from the 20th century Tony Benn held these beliefs. Looks him up.
Also, this us good.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/28/opinion/why-brexit-is-best-for-britain-the-left-wing-case.html
The leftist critique of the EU is similar to the issues the left would have with the World Bank say, or the IMF. They simply enforce the same shitty austerity in favor of capital.
If you want a little deeper dive try this from the London School of Economics:
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2018/10/20/how-eu-membership-undermines-the-left/
Basically the national governments collaborate more with each other and are accountable to the superstructure and less accountable to constituents. This is inherently less democratic.
The fact that the EU is a multinational doesn’t make it “international” in the Marxist sense.
Labour’s strategy was to split the difference on Brexit. Didn’t work. On the bright side Lib Dems were hard remainders. They were crucified. Their party leader didn’t even retain her seat.
This concludes our lesson for today.
Any further instruction on international politics will require you to sign my tutor agreement. I get $200 an hour.
The radical left sounds a little Trump-like in its new-found support for “blowing it all up” with Brexit. Destroy Britain in order to save it? Yeah, that’s the ticket. Is this another case of far right and far left coming together in this strange new political world? I guess it could all work out, but at $200 an hour I think I’ll look elsewhere for more enlightenment.
Signed, a liberal Democrat. Looks like there are at least 11 of us here, but that’s two more than the socialists have according to the poll.
Did I say that was “the ticket” or did I explain the leftist critique of undemocratic multinational institutions that enforce global austerity on behalf of capital?
I feel pretty confident I did the latter.
You should probably start on remedial lessons first. You’re confused.
This poll is for fun. But you’d be clever to examine the aggregate of Socialist, Social Dem and progessive Dem. It’s the largest cohort. What do you reckon those folks have in common?
What do they have in common? Being readers of the Delaware Liberal! It isn’t much of a surprise that the majority of the site’s readership agree with the site’s political ideas.
A sure-fire method for losing to Trump?
Yeah, that’s why there are so many of them.
I mean the last conservative corporate Democrat did great! Nominate another one!
How can there be both this story and all of these comments without noting that Jeremy Corbyn has a reputation as a major anti-Semite? Even if you don’t believe that he is, most of Her Majesty’s subjects do believe it.
Former Labour MP and Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, “appeared to blame ‘the Jewish vote'” for Labour’s losses.
There was an amusing article in The Washington Post, dated July 13, 2017, which stated:
Oops!
Hahaha! What a rube.
After having reviewed the so-called evidence of this supposed anti-Semitism, it seems most of the incidents are attacks on Zionists in defense of Palestinians. Is there anti-Jewish prejudice in England? Certainly, but no more than in the U.S. Keep in mind that many of Israel’s strongest supporters in the U.S. want them all to move to Israel so they can all die in Armageddon.
At any rate, considering that the U.K. has fewer than 300,000 Jewish citizens in a. population of 67 million, it played at most a small role in the election.
The more interesting question is why you think we should have been talking about anti-Semitism. Our side isn’t the one marching around shouting, “Jews will not replace us!”
Simple: because it has been a huge issue concerning Mr Corbyn among our cousins across the pond. It’s an issue the British did not ignore, and as evidence mounted concerning Mr Corbyn’s views — even if you don’t accept the interpretation — the Labour Party retained him as party leader.
Most of the British press dismisses it as a factor in the election.
Do you expect us to wring our hands about perceived anti-Semitism? Do you wring your hands about the anti-Semitism of the white-supremacy crowd?
You an extremely gullible rube. The mounting evidence was propaganda. “IRA sympathy” smears mostly & the baseless anti-Semitism charge.
In the reality based world Leave and Remain split Labour. Corbyn couldn’t solve that politically. He waffled.
All of the policies have high approval rating. Same as here.
That’s why we need to steel ourselves for the Sanders smears.
Mr Vanella wrote:
And yet, he lost.
We’ve been told by the credentialed media for months that Boris Johnson was a boob, a dolt, the worst Prime Minister evah!, and still Her Majesty’s subjects gave Mr Johnson and the Conservatives their biggest electoral victory since Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister. The terrible, horrible, awful Mr Johnson and the Tories defeated Mr Corbyn and Labour in a landslide.
Why does that sound like “Why aren’t I fifty points ahead?”
I explained it to you twice. I’m a giver.
This is truly a mystery to me. You have many of the same complaints leftists have, but you come to the opposite conclusion on what to do about them.
Let’s put it this way: Given that wealthy people have created most of our problems, I don’t see why anyone thinks further empowering them will provide solutions.
I don’t see that “wealthy people have created most of our problems.” Wealthy people, or those trying to become wealthy, are the ones who employ most Americans, who have made the investments which have created jobs.
Don’t be a sap. Nobody creates a job unless they can make a profit off that person’s labor. You’re smarter than that.
Your inability to see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. It just means you need glasses.
job creators™
It’s quite true: nobody creates a job unless he believes he can make a profit on that employee’s labor. That’s how wealthy people stay wealthy, and those who aren’t wealthy hope to become so. It appears that the difference we have here is that I see nothing wrong with that.
Are you stuck in believing the old ‘labor theory of value’?
Yes, that is the difference here. You worship Mammon.
The reactionaries are already pulling it on Bernie. Who would have thought?*
https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/10/linda-sarsour-is-too-antisemitic-for-the-womens-march-but-not-for-bernie-sanders/
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*yours truly
The idea that this fucking dope Dana bought it is too on-the-nose to even laugh about.
REV: Hillary (and her faulty campaign) was a special case. I think. Also, I wouldn’t consider her conservative, but I guess that term is relative.
I don’t buy the “faulty campaign” narrative very much. Even if she had gone to the upper Midwest, she still had the problem that she was the candidate, and people didn’t trust her. I think it was a faulty campaign because it was a faulty candidate.
I suspect that if Clinton had won the election instead of Trump, her approval numbers about now would like a lot like Trump’s. Remember, these were the two candidates with the highest disapproval numbers ever registered in a presidential election.
She is “conservative” in the sense that she is a tool of international corporations. Like a lot of neo-liberals, she thinks that corporate domination of society is fine as long as the overlords aren’t mean to gays or minorities, and as long as rich people treat these “liberal” politicians like celebrities.
The target audience for that is smaller than the target audience for Trump’s brand of fascism.
The leftist platform as demonstrated by the Labour manifesto is popular. But it wasn’t enough to overcome the Brexit political wedge.
The corporate media crushed Jezza, but that’s just part of game.
Socialism=bad for people
Dems=bad for people
Liberals= bad for people
nuff said
What’s the matter, fella? Did you run out of hand lotion?