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Conservative website WND (Wing Nut Daily) has dropped Ann Coulter as the keynote speaker at its upcoming conference over her plan to speak to a group in favor of gay rights.
WND says that Coulter’s decision to speak at Homocon, an event sponsored by a gay Republican organization called GOProud, disqualifies her from speaking at their “Taking America Back National Conference.” WND editor and CEO Joseph Farah said. “The drift of the conservative movement to a brand of materialistic libertarianism is one of the main reasons we planned this conference from the beginning.”
ohhh… I get it. They need to “Take Back America” from all the ACORN loving gay wingnuts and Mexicans that have taken over everything. They can’t have the purity of their conference sullied by Coulter’s homo cooties.
If only a conservative Robespierre would rise from one of these conferences and REALLY get down to the business of purifying the movement.
I didn’t see a link, so I assumed this was another Jason fake-out, but it seemed to be… even stranger than fiction, so I looked it up and it is in fact true. My head just exploded.
Coulter is looking a bit shop-worn these days, even for an aging anorexic drag-queen.
Sorry X. I guessed at what WND might stand for.
I am just pissed that I didn’t think of calling closeted gay Republicans “homocons.”
Actually, you would be surprised how many gay Republicans are not in the closet. Indeed, you would be surprised just how well accepted gays are in the conservative movement. But then again, you can’t get past the idea that all conservatives are religious fundamentalists, so maybe you would be.
accepted, but not respected. They can be gay as long as they are quiet about it, dont expect the same rights as breeders, and understand if they are used as a wedge issue to drum up more white-trash votes.
Respect is subjectively earned. And even if what you say is the case isn’t that a personal issue between the gay individual and their choice on who to align themselves with? It’s really nobody ele’s business if they choose to go along with the “rules” you imagine are in place.
They have the same rights that I have whether they choose to exercise those rights or not. They, like me, can marry someone of the opposite sex. They can’t biologically have children with their partner of choice (you said rights, plural, so I’m assuming this is the other right besides marriage) — but hey, my sister can’t either being that her husband has a low sperm count. She’s faced with the same options as the gays when it comes to child rearing.
They really aren’t all that different from us breeders. Even if they can’t call their unions “marriages.” It’s just a word. They can get all the same legal protections (minus the tax breaks)from a visit with a lawyer. And even if they are granted use of the word there will still be people who do not and will not ever accept their lifestyle no matter what label they smack on it. Sad, unfair, but unfortunately true. This is the burden they carry. My son is gay so I know this well.
“They can get all the same legal protections (minus the tax breaks)from a visit with a lawyer”
clearly you DONT understand the issue, because in addition to not having the “tax breaks” many states do not allow hospital visits, they can be forced to testify against each other, spousal healthcare is denied…. this list goes on.
So no. Gay couples are denied the same rights… not just the same word. you son is treated like a second class citizen because of who he loves.
Are you telling me that you can’t visit someone in a hospital unless your married to them in some states? Serious question.
And I can be forced to testify against my own children (whom I love even more than my husband.) Shit – life just isn’t fair sometimes.
Healthcare is offered to same-sex partners at some workplaces around the country right now. So obviously this can be accomplished outside of the marriage debate.
Think outside the box. If this is really about the benefits of marriage — we can accomplish those things outside of the marriage definition debate. Unless it really is a debate on the definition of the word and to that I say what a waste of energy, time and political capital!
you can be forced to testify against your children, but not your spouse. yes, some hospitals only allow “family”. If that particular hospital so chooses, they dont not have to allow a “partner” to see their dyeing loved one. If they are married however, the hospital cannot put someone through that pain. There are also estate issues, as well as the way married people are taxed differently. Some states do not allow unmarried couples to adopt.
you see, you THINK your son has the same rights as everyone else, but in reality most states.. and the federal government for refusing to intervene… treat him like a lesser citizen than you or me.
I’d like to see some evidence of someone being denied by hospital staff visiting a partner. I can see the disapproving family maybe intervening . . . but hospital staff? What – do they ask for a marriage certificate? How do you prove to hospital staff that you’re someone’s sister or brother?
Some states do not allow unmarried singles to adopt either. Are they being denied a right?
I’d like to see some evidence of someone being denied by hospital staff visiting a partner.
I remember when the AIDS epidemic began. I was in NYC at the time (straight but with plenty of gay friends).
The archetypical anecdotes are about cases where parents found out their child was gay by being called to the hospital where he lay dying of AIDS. And then the conservative parents would fly in from the Midwest to be with their son in the hospital, and when their son became unconscious or incoherent, the parents would gain custodial rights and would deny the partner the right to visit.
These stories are extreme cases and didn’t happen very often, but I know for a fact they did happen in real life. I don’t know if it happens much any more, if at all.
The other anecdotes are more common, where the parents take their deceased son to their home for the funeral and forbid the partner to come.
That’s what I was thinking anon. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Discrimination is illegal – yet there are still racists, bigots and discrimination among us. You can’t legislate morality from either side.
You can’t legislate morality from either side.
Gay people are covered by the Constitution and should be afforded equal protection under the law.
Hospitals can indeed deny the partner of a LGBT person visitation. There’s many stories about this. In fact many stories of parents who were estranged all the child’s adult life being given life & death decisions over the longtime partner of that person.
I’m glad we all, at least, agree that Coulter is a skank.
Anybody remember Ann Coulter’s article in George Magazine where she blamed all the men in DC for her inability to get a date?
As I recall it, her complaint was they weren’t manly enough. The jokes write themselves.
…“The drift of the conservative movement to a brand of materialistic libertarianism…
Another, but more subtle falsehood, indeed. The conservative movement is for more restrictions around social freedoms, which punches square in the face of libertarianism.
http://www.hrc.org/issues/protect-your-visitation-and-decision-making-rights.htm has information for how to ensure visitation and decision making rights to your partner, necessary because this kind of discrimination is legal in many states.
To answer the question “I would like to see some evidence of hospital discrimination” Well, here I am.
My partner was rushed to Beebe and the Doctor would not talk to me about my partners condition because I was not his “legal” partner. He was telling me this even though I had filled out the correct forms with the hospital, commonly known as a living will, which both myself and the hospital had a copy of.
If Gay marriage was legal and I walked in and had just said I am his husband, this never would have happened.
This is not annectdotal, or some story from a friend of a friend. This was real and 4 yrs ago.
So kiss my a$$ with the “if you just hire a lawyer you can have most of the same right” talk.
No one should have to hire an attorney to have their rights protected (I question how effective it would be & by the time they are enforced it may too late). It is an embarassment for America that we treat our citizens this way. Discriminating against someone because of their sexuality will be seen as abhorrent (sadly it will probably take 50 years)by the whole of society, just as racial discrimination is now largely (there are still bigots out there) seen as abhorrent-50 years after a lot of the racial equality work (i.e. boycots, legislation) was done.
This discrimination drove my brother to move to Europe. He moved to Europe over 25 years ago because Europeans were more accepting of his homosexuality. I talk with & write to my brother, but being selfish-I miss not having had him physically closer. Be able to sit down and have a beer together (more often then every 2-3 yearswhen he visits), but he has made his life in Germany & got married last year to a great guy that I am proud & happy to call my brother. My kids love their Uncle Stefan-too bad they couldn’t get married here in Delaware.